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<p>Question #1: You made a bracha on a cup of tea and sipped it, and then decided it needed more sugar. Do you need to make a bracha on the extra sugar?</p>
<p>Question #2: You cooked a delicious vegetable-barley soup. What bracha do you recite before eating it? Does it make any difference whether you want to eat the barley?</p>
<p>Question #3: I eat my potato latkes with apple sauce. How many brachos and which ones do I recite before eating them? Does it make a difference if I finish the latkes but am still eating the apple sauce? </p>
<p>The main theme of this week&#8217;s <i>parsha</i>, <i>Balak, </i>is mankind&#8217;s ability to recite <i>berachos</i>, and the opposite, and creating proper priorities in how we use this ability. This is certainly an opportune time to examine the complicated rules governing how we prioritize the<i> brachos </i>on what we eat.<i> </i></p>
<p>We apply the rules governing <i>ikar </i>and <i>tafeil</i>, literally the “primary” item and the “secondary” one, numerous times throughout the day. Whether we are eating cereal, fruit and milk for breakfast, macaroni and cheese for lunch, chicken with rice for supper, or snacking on an ice cream cone, these halachos apply. It definitely behooves us to be sure we are applying the halachos correctly.</p>
<p>First an introduction:</p>
<p>The Mishnah (<i>Berachos 44a) </i>which discuss brachos recited before eating states, “This is the rule: Whatever is primary and is accompanied by something secondary, one recites the bracha on the primary and absolves the secondary item.” Thus, the secondary item does not receive its own bracha, but is included in the bracha of the primary item.</p>
<p>WHAT CONSTITUTES AN <i>IKAR-TAFEIL </i>SITUATION?</p>
<p>There are two general categories of situations included in the halachos of <i>ikar </i>and <i>tafeil</i>; (1) when the <i>ikar </i>is an <b>enhancer </b>and (2) when the two items are combined in a <b>mixture</b>.</p>
<p><b>(1) Enhancers: </b>This category includes food items where the <i>tafeil</i> food makes the <i>ikar</i> food tastier. Some common examples include: Cereal with fruit and milk; eating latkes with apple sauce; stirring herbal tea with a cinnamon stick; breading fish or meat (schnitzel). </p>
<p>In all of these cases, one recites the bracha for the <i>ikar</i>; that is, the cereal, latkes, tea, or meat; and the <i>tafeil</i> is included – that is, the <i>tafeil </i>item loses its bracha.<i></i></p>
<p>The category of enhancers also includes cases where the <i>ikar</i> is too spicy or sharp to eat alone. Thus, eating a cracker or piece of bread with a very sharp food to make it edible is a case of <i>ikar</i> and <i>tafeil</i> and one recites the bracha only on the sharp food (<i>Mishnah Berachos </i>44a).</p>
<p>We should note, however, that the <i>tafeil </i>item loses its bracha only when one eats it together with the <i>ikar </i>or afterwards. But if one eats the <i>tafeil before </i>one eats the <i>ikar</i>, one does recite a bracha on the <i>tafeil</i>. Thus, food eaten before schnapps to soften its “bite” requires a bracha since one is eating it<i> before </i>the schnapps. When this situation occurs, the poskim debate what bracha one recites on the <i>tafeil.</i></p>
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<p><b>(2) Mixtures</b>: This category includes cases where one food is not specifically enhancing the other, but both foods are important. For example, someone eating macaroni and cheese, blintzes (they always contain a filling), cholent, kugel, or stew is interested in eating all the different foods that comprise the dish. The same halacha applies when eating soups, which may contain vegetables, meat, noodles, barley, or flour. In these cases, all the food items eaten are important and none of these ingredients serve only to enhance the rest. However, the food in these cases are mixtures they are considered one complete food item and therefore only recites one bracha for the entire food, although it contains items that eaten separately would require separate brachos. Thus, the concept of <i>ikar</i> and <i>tafeil</i> is very different here &#8211; it is the rule used to determine which bracha we recite on this food. In this case, the bracha of the <i>ikar</i> is the bracha on the entire item. </p>
<p>WHAT DETERMINES THE BRACHA ON A MIXTURE?</p>
<p>There are three rules that determine which bracha to recite on a mixture.</p>
<p>1. If one of the items in the mixture is clearly the most important, then that item determines the bracha (<i>Pri Megadim, Pesicha Koleles, Hilchos Brachos </i>s.v. <i>HaTenai; Mishnah Berurah </i>212:1). For example, the bracha on chicken soup with vegetables is <i>shehakol </i>since the chicken is the most important flavor component in the soup. However, if it is a vegetable soup with some meat added for flavor, the bracha would be <i>ha’adamah (Shulchan Aruch, Orach Chayim </i>205:2 and commentaries<i>).</i></p>
<p>2. When there is no most important ingredient, the bracha is usually determined by the majority item in the product. Thus, the bracha on a peanut bar containing peanuts, honey, and sugar is <i>ha’adamah </i>since peanuts are the major ingredient, and the bracha on a tzimmes consisting of prunes and sweet potatoes depends on which item is the major ingredient.</p>
<p>3. However, when the mixture contains one of the five grains (wheat, barley, spelt, oats, and rye) then the bracha is usually <i>mezonos</i>, unless the flour or grain product is included only to hold the food together (<i>Shulchan Aruch</i> 204:12; 208:2,3). Because these grains are important, they are the <i>ikar </i>of the mixture even if they are a minority component. </p>
<p>However, when the flour’s purpose is only to hold the item together or to provide texture, then it is not the <i>ikar</i> of the food because its purpose is clearly to function is a subsidiary. (In this instance, the flour is being used to enhance the other food item, and thus it categorically becomes a tafeil.)</p>
<p>Therefore, the bracha on a trifle containing cakes and ice cream is <i>mezonos</i> even if there is more ice cream than cake, since the cake is a grain product; whereas the bracha on potato kugel that contains flour, bread crumbs, and/or matzoh meal to provide texture is <i>ha’adamah.</i> Since the grain product here functions only to hold the kugel together, it is <i>tafeil</i> and does not affect the bracha. Similarly, flour added to thicken soup is <i>tafeil</i> (<i>Mishnah Berurah </i>212:1). When the flour provides taste or makes the product satisfying, then the flour is the <i>ikar </i>and the bracha is <i>mezonos</i> (<i>Shulchan Aruch</i> 204:12; 208:3). </p>
<p>Similarly, the bracha on vegetable-barley soup is <i>mezonos.</i> However, if the barley is completely dissolved, the bracha on the soup is usually <i>ha’adamah</i>. Similarly, if you do not want to eat the barley but a few pieces ended up in your portion anyway, the bracha is <i>ha’adamah.</i></p>
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<p>The same rules apply in the case of licorice candy whose bracha is <i>shehakol </i>even though it contains a significant amount of flour, since the flour is there only to give it a stiff texture. On the other hand, the bracha on kishka is <i>mezonos</i>, since the main ingredient is the flour.</p>
<p>BEFORE AND AFTER</p>
<p>Until now we have been discussing situations when you are eating the <i>ikar</i> and <i>tafeil</i> together. What do you do if you are eating the <i>tafeil</i> item either before or after you eat the <i>ikar</i>?</p>
<p>A <i>TAFEIL</i> EATEN BEFORE</p>
<p>A <i>tafeil</i> loses a bracha only when it is eaten together with the <i>ikar</i> or afterwards, but not when it is eaten before. Again, the reason for this becomes fairly clear once we think about it. A <i>tafeil’s</i> bracha is subsumed by the bracha on the <i>ikar</i>. This helps us as long as one has already recited the bracha on the <i>ikar</i>. However, if one has not yet recited the bracha on the <i>ikar</i>, how can one eat the <i>tafeil</i> without reciting any bracha at all since we are forbidden to benefit from the world without first reciting a bracha? Thus, it must be that we recite a bracha on the <i>tafeil</i> when eating it before the <i>ikar</i>. </p>
<p>However, this does not tell us whether the bracha on the <i>tafeil</i> is the same bracha one would usually recite on it, or whether it is automatically reduced to a <i>shehakol. </i>Let us say that someone is going to drink a powerful beverage or a very spicy pepper, and in order to tolerate it, he is first going to eat some bread or crackers. What bracha does he recite on the bread or cracker?</p>
<p>The<i> Rama </i>(212:1) rules that one recites a <i>shehakol </i>on the bread or cracker! </p>
<p>WHY DOES THE CRACKER LOSE ITS BRACHA?</p>
<p>The <i>Rama’s </i>ruling is based on an earlier psak of the <i>Terumas HaDeshen</i>, who discusses a case of someone who wants to drink wine, but can not drink the wine on an empty stomach. Therefore he eats some seeds whose bracha is usually <i>ha’eitz </i>before imbibing the wine. The <i>Terumas HaDeshen</i> rules that he recites a<i> shehakol</i> on the seeds since he is not getting his primary benefit from the fruit (<i>Darchei Moshe</i> 212:2). However, the <i>Beis Yosef</i> disagrees and rules that he should make <i>ha’eitz </i>on the seeds.</p>
<p>On what concept is this dispute dependent? One could explain that this dispute reflects two different ways of explaining why one does not recite a bracha on a <i>tafeil. </i>The <i>Terumas HaDeshen</i> contends that a <i>tafeil</i> is unimportant and therefore does not warrant a bracha, however, one cannot benefit from this world without a bracha &#8212; therefore one recites shehakol. On the other hand, the <i>Beis Yosef</i> holds that the bracha on the <i>ikar</i> counts as the bracha on the <i>tafeil</i> and therefore one does not need to make a bracha on it- but if the <i>tafeil</i> were to require a bracha, it does not lose its status or its bracha.</p>
<p>EATING A<i> TAFEIL</i> AFTER THE <i>IKAR</i></p>
<p>What do you do if you finished eating the <i>ikar, </i>but you have not yet completed the <i>tafeil. </i>Do you recite a bracha on the <i>tafeil </i>since you are no longer eating the <i>ikar</i>, or do we say that the bracha on the <i>ikar</i> still suffices? For example, you finished your cereal, but there is still some milk left, or you finished the barley of the soup, but there is still more soup to eat. Do you recite a new bracha on the rest of the soup<i>?</i></p>
<p>The halacha is that if you finished the <i>ikar</i> first, and a small amount of <i>tafeil</i> remains, one does not recite a bracha on the remaining <i>tafeil</i>. However, if a large amount remains, one does recite a bracha (<i>Mishnah Berurah </i>168:46).</p>
<p>At the beginning of the article I asked the following shaylah, “You made a bracha on a cup of tea and sipped it and then decided it needed more sugar. Do you need to make a bracha on the extra sugar?”</p>
<p>The question here is that the sugar is <i>tafeil</i> to the tea, but can it be a <i>tafeil</i> when it was not in front of you when you made the bracha?</p>
<p>The <i>halacha</i> is that if you begin eating something and afterwards decide to eat a <i>tafeil</i> food alongside, the <i>tafeil</i> requires a bracha- but only <i>shehakol </i>(<i>Mishnah Berurah</i> 212:4). This is true only if the <i>tafeil </i>is an enhancer (see our category above). However, if it is a <i>tafeil </i>because it is a mixture, it receives its regular bracha. Thus, if after making a bracha on cereal, someone decided to add milk and fruit, he recites <i>ha’eitz </i>on the fruit and <i>shehakol</i> on the milk. On the other hand, if he knew he would add fruit and milk when he recited the bracha on the cereal, then they are <i>tafeil </i>to the cereal and he does not recite a bracha on them even though they were not present when he recited the bracha.</p>
<p>What should you do if someone brought you a cup of tea and you then decided to add sugar? Do you need to recite a bracha on the sugar? </p>
<p>If you usually add sugar to your tea, you do not need to recite a new bracha. However, if you do not, then you will need to recite a bracha on the sugar.</p>
<p>Not everything we do in life qualifies as our <i>ikar </i>purpose in life- often we must do things that are <i>tafeil </i>to the more important things in life<i>.</i> However, paying attention to the halachos of <i>ikar </i>and <i>tafeil </i>should encourage us to focus on our priorities in life- and not allow the <i>tafeil </i>things we must do become more important than they are.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#160; Arriving in my shul office one day, I check my schedule to see what the day’sactivities will bring. The schedule notifies me that Leah Greenberg (not her real name) has an 11 o’clock appointment. I am curious what issues she plans to bring me today. Leah is highly intelligent and usually has interesting questions [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://rabbikaganoff.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/kiddush_3.jpg"><img style="border-bottom: 0px; border-left: 0px; display: inline; border-top: 0px; border-right: 0px" title="KONICA MINOLTA DIGITAL CAMERA" border="0" alt="KONICA MINOLTA DIGITAL CAMERA" src="http://rabbikaganoff.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/kiddush_3_thumb.jpg" width="153" height="197" /></a>&#160; Arriving in my shul office one day, I check my schedule to see what the day’sactivities will bring. The schedule notifies me that Leah Greenberg (not her real name) has an 11 o’clock appointment. I am curious what issues she plans to bring me today. Leah is highly intelligent and usually has interesting questions to discuss.</p>
<p>An 11:05 knock on my door announces her arrival. After she seats herself in my office, I ask her what has brought her this morning.</p>
<p>“As you know, I do not come from an observant background,” she begins. “Although I have been observant now for many years, I always feel that I am missing information in areas of halacha that I need to know. Instead of asking you these questions over the phone, I wanted to discuss all the questions I have on one subject matter in person at one time. &#8211; I thought that this way you could perhaps explain the halachos and the issues involved to me.”</p>
<p>It would be nice to spend a few moments doing what I enjoy most, teaching Torah. I encouraged Leah to read me her list.</p>
<p>“My first two questions have to do with kiddush Shabbos morning. I believe I was told years ago that I should make kiddush before I eat Shabbos morning. Recently, someone told me that this was not necessary. What should I do?”</p>
<p>“Many prominent poskim rule that a married woman does not need to recite kiddush until her husband has finished davening (<i>Shu’t</i> <i>Igros Moshe, Orach Chayim 4:101:2</i>). In their opinion, there is no requirement to recite kiddush until it is time to eat the Shabbos meal, which for a married woman is when her husband is also ready. Others contend that she should recite kiddush before she eats (<i>Shu’t Minchas Yitzchok 4:28:3; Shmiras Shabbos K’Hilchasah 2:153).”</i></p>
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<p>“Not questioning what you have told me, which is what I intend to do, I know very religious women who do not recite kiddush until the Shabbos meal. Some of them are not married, so the reason you told me above would not apply to them.”</p>
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<p><i>“</i>There is a custom in some places that women did not recite kiddush Shabbos morning, and therefore you should not say anything to women who follow this practice (<i>Daas Torah 289)</i>. But what you are doing is definitely preferable.”</p>
<p>“My next question has to do with a mistake I made last week. Last Shabbos morning, after I made kiddush and ate mezonos to fulfill the kiddush properly, I recited the after bracha on the cake, but forgot to include <i>al hagafen</i> for the wine I drank. I didn’t know whether I was supposed to recite the <i>bracha acharonah</i> again in order to say the <i>al hagafen</i> or whether I should do nothing.”</p>
<p>“What did you end up doing?” I inquired, curious to see how she had resolved the predicament.</p>
<p>“Well, I didn’t have anyone to ask, so I waited until my son came home from <i>hashkamah </i>minyan and made kiddush and then I had him be<i> motzi </i>me in the <i>bracha acharonah.”</i></p>
<p>“That was a very clever approach. You actually did what is optimally the best thing to do, provided that you have not waited too long for the <i>bracha acharonah.</i> But let me ask you first. Why were you uncertain what to do after you had made kiddush?”</p>
<p>“Well, I know that after eating cake and drinking wine or grape juice we recite the long after bracha beginning and ending with both <i>al hamichyah </i>(for the food you have provided us) and <i>al hagafen </i>(for the vine and its fruits). I had recited this bracha, but I left out the parts referring to wine. So I was uncertain whether I had fulfilled the mitzvah with regard to the wine since I had only mentioned <i>al hamichyah, </i>which only refers to the cake.”</p>
<p>“Your analysis of the question is very accurate,” I responded. “But I am first going to answer a question with a question. What happens if you only drank wine, and ate nothing at all, and then afterwards recited <i>al hamichyah </i>and did not mention <i>al hagafen</i> at all? Or for that matter, what happens if you recited the full bensching after drinking wine. Did you fulfill your responsibility?”</p>
<p>“I would think that you did not fulfill the mitzvah since you did not recite <i>al hagafen,</i>” Leah responded. “But because of the way you asked the question, I guess I am wrong. I told you that I don’t have the strongest halacha background.” </p>
<p>What a beautiful neshamah! I found my mind wondering. Leah was always eager to learn more about Yiddishkeit and halacha, and she always felt humble. This is how we should always feel before the Almighty. In truth, she was usually far more knowledgeable than most people who take their Yiddishkeit for granted.</p>
<p>I returned to our conversation.</p>
<p>“I presented you with two cases. If someone bensched a full <i>bircas hamazon</i> after drinking wine but not eating anything, we paskin that he should not recite a new <i>bracha acharonah</i> since wine does provide satisfaction (<i>Shulchan Aruch, Orach Chayim 208:17)</i>. However, many other foods, such as most fruit, are not satisfying enough that bensching would fulfill the responsibility. Therefore, the bracha of bensching is inappropriate for them, and one must recite the correct<i> bracha acharonah</i>.</p>
<p>“In the case of someone who recited <i>al hamichyah </i>instead of <i>al hagafen,</i> there is a dispute whether he must recite <i>al hagafen </i>or not. Most poskim contend that one has fulfilled the mitzvah and should not recite a new bracha” (<i>Levush 208:17; Eliyahu Rabbah 208:26;</i> cf., however, the <i>Maadanei Yom Tov</i> and<i> Pri Megadim</i> 208:16 in <i>Mishbetzos Zahav</i> who disagree and rule that one must recite <i>al hagafen.)</i></p>
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<p>“Then it would seem that I should not have recited<i> al hagafen</i> and I did not have to wait for my son to come home. Why did you say that I did what was optimally correct?”</p>
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<p>“Actually, your case is a bit more complicated than the ones I just presented.”</p>
<p>“How so?”</p>
<p>“In the two cases I mentioned, reciting full bensching or <i>al hamichyah</i> after wine, one did not eat anything at all that would require bensching or <i>al hamichyah</i>, so the bracha can only have referred to the wine. The halachic question we deal with is whether this bracha can ever refer to wine or not. If the bracha can never refer to wine, then it has the status of a <i>bracha li’vatalah, </i>a bracha recited in vain.</p>
<p>“However, when you drank wine and ate cake you were required to include two different themes, one for the wine and the other for the cake, but you included only one. Here our question is whether one theme will fulfill both bracha requirements.” </p>
<p>“I find this rather confusing. Either the bracha <i>al hamichyah </i>works for wine or it does not. How can it sometimes work and sometimes not?”</p>
<p>“Let me give you a different example that will be more familiar. What happens if you recite the bracha of <i>borei pri ha’adamah </i>on an apple?”</p>
<p>“I have been told that one isn’t supposed to do this, but if you did one should not recite a new bracha.”</p>
<p>“That is exactly correct. Now let me ask you another question. What happens if you plan to eat an apple and a tomato, and you recited<i> borei pri ha’adamah </i>on the tomato? Do you now recite a <i>borei pri ha’eitz </i>on the apple or is it covered with the <i>borei pri ha’adamah </i>that you recited on the tomato.”<i></i></p>
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<p>“I understand,” replied Leah. “One is not supposed to recite <i>ha’adamah </i>on an apple, but if one did, he fulfilled his requirement. However, if one is eating an apple and a tomato, and recited <i>ha’adamah</i> and then ate the tomato, he still must recite <i>ha’eitz</i> on the apple.”</p>
<p>“Precisely.”</p>
<p>“But why is this?”</p>
<p>“The<i> ha’adamah</i> does not usually apply to the apple which does not grow directly from the ground. However, when there is nothing else for the <i>ha’adamah</i> to refer to, it does apply to the apple since it grows on a tree which grows from the ground. Therefore when one recites <i>ha’adamah </i>on an apple, one does not recite a new bracha. But when one recited the <i>ha’adamah</i> on a tomato, the bracha does not include the apple.”</p>
<p>“Are there any other examples of this rule?”</p>
<p>“There are many. Here’s one. As you know the correct bracha after eating grapes is <i>al ha’eitz ve’al pri ha’eitz </i>(for the land and for the fruits of the land), not <i>al hagafen ve’al pri hagafen </i>(for the vine and for the fruits of the vine)<i>,</i> which refers specifically to wine<i>. </i>However, if one recited <i>al hagafen </i>after eating grapes, one should not recite a new bracha since the literal wording of the bracha includes all fruits of the vine, which also includes grapes (<i>Shulchan Aruch, 208:15). </i>But what happens if someone finished a snack in which he ate grapes and drank wine?” </p>
<p>“I believe he is supposed to recite <i>al hapeiros ve’al hagafen,” </i>Leah interposed.</p>
<p>“Correct. But what happens if he recited just <i>al hagafen </i>and forgot to say <i>al hapeiros. </i>Must he now recite a bracha of <i>al hapeiros </i>because of the grapes or was he <i>yotzei</i> with the <i>al hagafen </i>that he recited?”</p>
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<p>“Based on the direction that you are leading me, it would seem that he must recite <i>al hapeiros</i> since the bracha of <i>al hagafen </i>referred only to the wine he drank, just like the <i>ha’adamah </i>referred only to the tomato and not to the apple (<i>Shulchan Aruch, 208:14).”</i></p>
<p>“Excellent.”</p>
<p>“May I conclude that someone who recited <i>al hamichyah </i>on wine fulfilled his requirement if he only drank wine, but did not fulfill their requirement to recite a <i>bracha acharonah</i> on the wine if they also ate cake?”</p>
<p>“Some poskim reach exactly this conclusion (<i>Shu’t Har Tzvi #105). </i>However, others rule that one has fulfilled the requirement of a<i> bracha acharonah </i>on the wine also and should not recite <i>al hagafen. </i>They reason that <i>al hamichyah</i> includes any food that satisfies, even while eating another food (<i>Kaf HaChayim </i>208:76). That is why I told you that having someone be motzi you in the <i>bracha acharonah</i> is the best option since it covers all bases.”</p>
<p>“This whole discussion is very fascinating, and I think it leads into the next question I want to ask. I know that the correct bracha after eating grapes is <i>al ha’eitz ve’al pri ha’eitz </i>but the correct bracha after eating most fruit is <i>borei nefashos. </i>What do you do if you eat both grapes and apples as a snack? Somehow it does not sound correct that you make two brachos.”</p>
<p>“You are absolutely correct. Although the bracha after eating an apple is <i>borei nefashos</i>, when one recites <i>al ha’eitz ve’al pri ha’eitz </i>anyway, that bracha also covers the apples or other fruit that one ate (<i>Shulchan Aruch 208:13</i>).”</p>
<p>“What happens if I ate an apple and drank some grape juice at the same time? Do I recite one bracha or two afterwards?”</p>
<p>“This a really good question – Rav Moshe Feinstein actually has a tshuvah devoted exactly to this question. But before presenting his discussion, we first need to discuss a different shaylah.” I paused for a few seconds before I continued.</p>
<p>“What is the closing of the bracha we recite after drinking wine?”</p>
<p>“All I know is what it says in the sidurim and benschers. There it says to recite “<i>al ha’aretz ve’al pri hagafen.”</i></p>
<p><i></i></p>
<p>“We follow this version (<i>Taz </i>208:14<i>), </i>but actually there is another text to the bracha that is also acceptable.”</p>
<p>“What is that?”</p>
<p>“Some poskim close with <i>al ha’aretz ve’al hapeiros, </i>meaning that the closing of the bracha on wine is the same as it is on grapes, dates, or olives. According to this opinion, the bracha after drinking wine begins with <i>al ha’aretz ve’al pri hagafen </i>and ends <i>al ha’aretz ve’al hapeiros (Rambam). </i>Although I have never seen this text printed in any benscher or siddur, poskim quote it as a perfectly acceptable version (<i>Shulchan Aruch 208:11).</i> However, according to both opinions one begins the bracha with the words <i>al hagafen ve’al pri hagafen.”</i></p>
<p>“May I ask you something at this point,” Leah interjected. “You told me before that if someone ate grapes and apples he recites just one bracha <i>al ha’eitz ve’al pri ha’eitz </i>for both the grapes and the apples. Will this affect whether one can say the same bracha after wine and apples? Even according to the opinion that one concludes by mentioning fruit, he began by saying <i>al hagafen ve’al pri hagafen </i>and does not mention fruit until the end of the bracha. Does this affect whether one bracha suffices for both the wine and the apple?”</p>
<p>I must admit that I was astounded by the pure brilliancy of her analysis. Leah was unaware that she had just unraveled the core issue in Rav Moshe’s teshuvah (<i>Shu’t Igros Moshe, Orach Chayim #72) </i>on the subject, and that she had zeroed in on a dispute among the poskim whether this bracha that begins with a reference to grapes and ends with a bracha on fruits suffices to fulfill the bracha on another fruit.</p>
<p>“Now I can explain the shaylah you asked about someone who ate an apple and drank grape juice at the same time. Rav Moshe says that it depends what bracha he recites at the end of the bracha after drinking the grape juice. If he recites <i>al ha’aretz ve’al pri hagafen </i>then he should recite a <i>borei nefashos </i>afterwards because neither part of the bracha referred to fruit, only to grapes. However, if he concludes <i>al ha’aretz ve’al hapeiros </i>there is a dispute what to do and one should not recite a <i>borei nefashos.</i></p>
<p>“May I ask one last question for the day if I might?”</p>
<p>“Feel free to ask as many as you like. My greatest pleasure in life is answering questions about Torah.”</p>
<p>“I know that when we eat fruit that grew in Eretz Yisroel we modify the end of the<i> bracha acharonah</i> to reflect this fact. Do we do the same thing if we drink wine produced in Eretz Yisroel?”</p>
<p>“After drinking wine or grape juice produced from grapes that grew in Eretz Yisroel one should recite <i>al ha’aretz ve’al pri gafnah</i>, for the land and for the fruit of <i>its</i> vine, or <i>al ha’aretz ve’al peiroseha</i>, for the land and for <i>its </i>fruit, thus praising Hashem for our benefiting from the produce of the special land He gave us.</p>
<p>“What bracha do we recite after eating cake or crackers made from flour that grew in Eretz Yisroel?”</p>
<p>“Some poskim contend that one should recite <i>“al michyasah”</i> on <i>its </i>produce<i> </i>after eating flour items that grew in Eretz Yisroel (<i>Birkei Yosef 208:10; Shu’t Har Tzvi #108</i>). However, the prevalent practice is to recite “<i>al hamichyah” </i>and not<i> “al michyasah” </i>after eating pastry or pasta items even if they are made from flour that grew in Eretz Yisroel (<i>Birkei Yosef 208:10).”</i></p>
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<p>“Why is there a difference between flour and wine?”</p>
<p>“When eating fruit and drinking wine, the different nature of the source country is very identifiable. Therefore its bracha should reflect a special praise of Eretz Yisroel. However, when one makes a product from flour, the source of the flour is not obvious in the finished product. Thus, praising Hashem for the special grain His land produces is inappropriate.”</p>
<p>“I have really enjoyed this conversation, and if possible would like to continue it at a different time with other questions.”</p>
<p>“It will be my pleasure.”</p>
<p>Leah left with a big smile on her face, having now mastered a new area of halacha. Although I was technically the teacher of the meeting, I learned a tremendous amount from her in terms of enthusiasm about mitzvos and humility in serving Hashem.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[It was a big simcha, the birth of twin boys. Avi Habanim, the new Daddy, wondered whether he and Reb Mendel the mohel should recite the brachos once or twice. He also wanted to know whether the bracha after the bris, asher kidash yedid mibeten, is recited separately for each baby or not. Since holding the baby while this bracha is recited is a big honor, this would amount to two extra kibbudim for Avi to distribute – quite an asset in his sensitive family!]]></description>
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<p>It was a big <i>simcha</i>, the birth of twin boys. Avi Habanim, the new Daddy, wondered whether he and Reb Mendel the <i>mohel</i> should recite the <i>brachos</i> once or twice. He also wanted to know whether the <i>bracha</i> after the <i>bris</i>, <i>asher kidash yedid mibeten, </i>is recited separately for each baby or not. Since holding the baby while this <i>bracha</i> is recited is a big honor, this would amount to two extra <i>kibbudim </i>for Avi to distribute – quite an asset in his sensitive family!</p>
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<p><b>Response:</b></p>
<p>When celebrating the Habanim sons’ <i>bris</i>, the older son was brought to <i>shul</i> first; the <i>mohel</i> recited the <i>bracha</i> of <i>al hamilah </i>prior to performing the older boy’s <i>bris</i>. Avi then recited the <i>bracha</i> <i>lehachniso bivriso shel Avraham Avinu, to bring him into the Covenant of Avraham our forefather</i>. After the <i>bris</i> was completed, Uncle Max was honored with reciting the <i>bracha</i> <i>asher kidash yedid mibeten</i> prior to naming the baby Peretz after Uncle Max’s late father. After Max’s booming baritone rendition was complete, the <i>mohel</i> recited the <i>mishebeirach </i>wishing Peretz a speedy recovery and then began <i>Aleinu, </i>the customary closing prayer to the <i>bris</i> ceremony.</p>
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<p><b>Now the Second Bris</b></p>
<p>After <i>Aleinu</i> and <i>kaddish </i>were completed, Reb Mendel, Avi and Uncle Herman (I will soon explain why he, and not Uncle Max) took a brief walk outside the <i>shul</i>, and then Avi’s younger son arrived just in time for his <i>bris</i>. Reb Mendel declared <i>kvatter, </i>the standard announcement politely asking people to end their conversations because the <i>bris</i> is beginning. Mendel recited the <i>bracha</i> <i>al hamilah</i> a second time and Avi then recited the <i>bracha</i> <i>lehachniso</i> again. After the <i>bris</i> was completed, Uncle Herman was honored with reciting the <i>bracha</i> <i>asher kidash yedid mibeten</i> prior to naming the baby Zerach.</p>
<p><b>The Dvar Torah</b></p>
<p>At the banquet celebrating the <i>brisin</i>, Avi began his comments by thanking <i>Hashem</i> not only for the birth of two healthy boys, but also for the opportunity to have had time to analyze a complex halachic topic that he had never previously researched. He then devoted his “<i>Bris Torah</i>” to sharing his research on the subject at hand. He began by noting that most early authorities contend that one should <i>not </i>recite the <i>brachos</i> twice, but recite one <i>al hamilah </i>and one <i>lehachniso bivriso</i> for both <i>brisin</i> (this is the commonly used plural). When following this approach, one should be careful not to talk about anything not germane to the <i>bris</i> prior to performing the second <i>bris</i> (see <i>Beis Yosef, Yoreh Deah </i>265; <i>Gra”z </i>213:7). </p>
<p><b>Lehachnisam bivriso</b></p>
<p>Indeed, even the text of the <i>bracha</i> recited by the father changes to the plural: <b><i>lehachnisam</i></b><i> bivriso shel Avraham Avinu</i>, to bring <i>them </i>into the Covenant (<i>Beis Yosef; Rama, Yoreh Deah </i>265:5<i>)</i>. The <i>Rama </i>even amends the prayer that includes naming the child to plural by saying <i>kayem es hayeladim</i>. </p>
<p>Among those authorities who follow this approach, we find a dispute concerning when Dad recites his <i>bracha</i> <i>lehachnisam</i>; although some imply that he should recite it immediately after the <i>mohel</i> recites his <i>bracha</i> on the first <i>bris</i> (<i>Yam shel Shelomoh, Chullin </i>6:9), most contend that he should not recite it until <i>after </i>the <i>mohel</i> performs the second <i>bris</i> (<i>Shu”t HaRashba </i>1:382). This dispute concerns whether the optimal time to recite this <i>bracha</i> (on every <i>bris</i>) is prior to the performing of the <i>bris</i>, assuming that it is a <i>bracha</i> on the performing of the <i>mitzvah</i>, or afterwards, considering it a <i>bracha</i> of praise (see <i>Tosafos, Pesachim </i>7a s.v. <i>Beliva’eir</i>). This is a complex discussion on its own that we will need to leave for now; perhaps it is a topic for a future <i>bris</i>. In order to accommodate both approaches, the father usually recites <i>lehachniso bivriso</i> immediately after the <i>mohel</i> begins removing the foreskin but prior to his peeling back the membrane underneath that is halachically called the <i>or haperiyah</i>. </p>
<p><b>Asher Kidash</b></p>
<p>There is an additional dispute whether to recite the <i>bracha</i> <i>asher kidash yedid mibeten</i> (recited after the <i>bris</i> and before the baby is named) twice or only once. Rabbeinu Yeruchem implies that one should recite it after each <i>bris</i>, whereas the <i>Beis Yosef </i>disagrees, contending that it should be recited only once &#8212; after the second <i>bris</i>. I would like to note that a much earlier authority than the <i>Beis Yosef, </i>the <i>Tashbeitz</i> (2:42), already ruled exactly as the <i>Beis Yosef</i> did &#8212; that it should be recited only once, and after the second <i>bris</i>, so that it refers back to both <i>brisin</i>. </p>
<p>Avi noted that some might be concerned about the following curious problem. Since we usually name the child immediately after reciting the <i>bracha</i> <i>asher kidash yedid mibeten, </i>and one is now reciting only one <i>bracha</i> for both boys, how does anyone know which child was given which name? (Avi then noted tongue-in-cheek that in his particular instance this probably would not be such a concern, since people could always refer to <i>Chumash</i> and see that Peretz is the older twin.)</p>
<p>Actually, an early halachic source alludes to a response to this question. The <i>Tashbeitz </i>notes that after reciting the <i>bracha</i> <i>asher kidash yedid mibeten</i>, the custom was to pour two different cups of wine and name each baby while holding a different cup, although one recites only one <i>bracha</i> of <i>hagafen</i> for both cups since there is no interruption between them. He notes that there is no real reason to have two cups for this purpose other than to pacify people. One cup of wine for the <i>bracha</i> certainly suffices. Presumably, each cup of wine was brought near the child who was now being named so that people would know which child would bear which name, although it is also clear from the <i>Tashbeitz </i>that there is no necessity to do this. </p>
<p>Avi continued: According to the <i>Rama</i>’s recommendation that one recites only one naming prayer for both boys, obviously one is using only one cup of wine. It also seems that one concludes this prayer by saying <i>viyakaru shemam biYisrael Peretz ben Avraham veZerach ben Avraham. </i>Since one recites only one prayer that then names both boys, presumably the naming follows the order in which they were circumcised.</p>
<p><b>Double Blessings</b></p>
<p>Avi then noted a more serious issue: If most <i>poskim </i>contend that one should not recite the <i>brachos</i> twice for the two <i>brisin</i>, why do we ignore this majority opinion! As you can imagine, after researching the <i>shaylah</i>, I asked my <i>rav</i> what to do, and followed his advice. However, before explaining his reasoning, I would like to share with you more of my research.<i> </i></p>
<p>Truthfully, several different authorities, both early and late, recommend different reasons why one should recite separate <i>brachos</i> for each <i>bris</i>. The earliest dissenting opinion is that of the <i>Baal HaItur</i>, an early <i>rishon, </i>who rules that each <i>bris</i> always requires its own <i>bracha</i>. Why should this be so? Does the <i>Baal HaItur</i> contend that whenever one fulfills a <i>mitzvah</i> twice that each act requires its own <i>bracha</i>? This would mean that when installing several <i>mezuzos</i> one would recite a <i>bracha</i> on each <i>mezuzah</i>, and that a <i>shocheit</i> slaughtering many birds or animals should recite a new <i>bracha</i> before each <i>shechitah</i>. Although there is a recognized very early authority who indeed advocates this position (Rabbeinu Shmuel ben Chofni, quoted by<i> Mordechai, Chullin</i> #658), the other authorities, <i>Baal HaItur</i> included, accept that one recites only one <i>bracha</i> before performing the same <i>mitzvah</i> several times (<i>Tashbeitz </i>2:42). So why is this case different?</p>
<p><i>Baal HaItur</i> himself explains that <i>bris</i> milah is different from the other <i>mitzvos</i> mentioned because one may not perform two <i>brisin</i> simultaneously. Presumably, he means that because of the principle of <i>ain osim mitzvos chavilos chavilos</i>, one may not “bundle” together two <i>mitzvos</i> and perform them together because this implies that one finds performing <i>mitzvos</i> a burden that one wants to be rid of. The logic is that since I cannot perform the second <i>bris</i> until after I perform the first, the first <i>bris</i> is in effect an interruption between the <i>bracha</i> and the second <i>bris</i> (<i>Shu”t Maharam Shick, Yoreh Deah </i>#250).</p>
<p>Most early authorities dispute with the <i>Baal HaItur</i>’s logic. Although they presumably agree that one may not perform both <i>brisin</i> simultaneously because of safety concerns and because of the principle of <i>ain osim mitzvos chavilos chavilos, </i>they feel that this does not create a sufficient reason to require a new <i>bracha</i> on the second <i>bris</i>. Remember that the <i>mohel</i> knows that he will be performing a second <i>bris</i> when he recites the <i>bracha</i> on the first child.</p>
<p>Although most early authorities rule differently, some seem somewhat unconvinced that one is forbidden from reciting separate <i>brachos</i> on each <i>bris</i>. For example, someone sent the <i>Rashba</i> a letter inquiring whether it is correct to recite only one <i>bracha</i> when performing two <i>brisin</i>. The <i>Rashba</i> responded that he had never been in attendance when two <i>brisin</i> occurred together and consequently was unaware of an accepted practice. Logically, he feels that one should recite only one <i>bracha</i>, just as a <i>shocheit</i> should recite only one <i>bracha</i> prior to performing multiple <i>shechitos</i>, although it is clear from the <i>Rashba</i>’s discussion that he would certainly defer to a <i>minhag</i> differing from his ruling (<i>Shu”t HaRashba </i>1:382).</p>
<p><b>Later Authorities</b></p>
<p>Avi continued his discussion by mentioning that the <i>Tur</i> cites the opinion of the <i>Baal HaItur</i>, but then quotes his father, the <i>Rosh</i>, who disputed the <i>Baal HaItur</i>’s conclusions. The <i>Rosh</i> compares this case to having two newly married couples in attendance at one <i>sheva</i> <i>brachos</i>, and whether one should recite two sets of <i>brachos</i>, one for each couple, or one series of <i>brachos</i> for both. He concludes that one should recite one set of <i>brachos</i> for both couples, and rules that when performing <i>brisin</i> on twins that one should recite only one series of <i>brachos</i> for both. Clearly, there is concern that one is reciting unnecessary <i>brachos</i>, <i>brachos she’ainam tzricha</i>, which is a violation of <i>halacha</i>. The <i>Rosh</i> then notes that this is true even if there are two different <i>mohalim</i> involved – and even if the two babies are from different families &#8212; one <i>mohel</i> should recite the <i>bracha</i> before performing the first <i>bris</i> with the other <i>mohel</i> present and include the second <i>mohel</i> in his <i>bracha</i>. The second <i>mohel</i> should have in mind to be included in this first one’s <i>bracha</i>. He then also rules that the same is true for the <i>bracha</i> recited after the <i>bris</i>, <i>asher kidash yedid mibeten</i> – concluding that this <i>bracha</i> should also be recited only once for both children, and even if the second child is not present when the first <i>bris</i> is performed since one knows that one will be performing both <i>brisin</i> (<i>Shu”t HaRosh </i>26:4). Of course, this presents an interesting question, since this <i>bracha</i> is recited after the <i>bris</i>, and one may have already performed the first <i>bris</i> before the second baby arrived. The authorities conclude that even so, one should delay reciting the <i>bracha asher kidash yedid mibeten </i>until the second <i>bris</i> is performed, and then recite it after the second <i>bris</i> with intent for the first <i>bris </i>as well.</p>
<p>To sum up, there is a dispute between the <i>Baal HaItur</i> and the <i>Rosh</i> whether one must recite separate <i>brachos</i> on these two <i>brisin</i>, or whether one is required to recite one <i>bracha</i> on both <i>brisin</i>.</p>
<p><b>Other reasons</b></p>
<p>Other, later, authorities present completely different reasons why one should not recite the <i>brachos</i> on two <i>brisin</i> together. The <i>Beis Shmuel</i> (<i>Even HaEzer </i>62:3) quotes the <i>Perisha </i>as stating that one should not make two <i>brisin</i> together because of <i>ayin hora</i>, just as one should not perform two wedding ceremonies together. According to the <i>Perisha</i>, the concern is not about the <i>brachos</i>, but about the ceremony itself, and that therefore one should complete one <i>bris</i> ceremony before beginning the next one. However, most other authorities do not share this concern (see <i>Taz, Yoreh Deah</i> 265:11 for one approach why). </p>
<p>We should note that the <i>Perisha</i>’s approach results in a different procedure than the <i>Baal HaItur</i> would advise. According to the<i> Perisha</i>, one should not bring the second baby to the location of the <i>bris</i> until after the first <i>bris</i> is complete, whereas according to the <i>Baal HaItur</i>, one may bring both babies at the beginning and conduct the two <i>brisin</i> step-by-step one after the other.</p>
<p>Avi then mentioned a different approach why we should not bring the two babies together. If we remember the <i>Baal HaItur</i>’s position, he contended that simultaneously performing the <i>bris</i> act for both babies violates <i>ein osin mitzvos chavilos chavilos</i>, bundling together <i>mitzvos</i>. However, the <i>Baal HaItur</i> was not concerned that bringing the babies together violates <i>ein osin mitzvos chavilos chavilos</i>. However, there are authorities who feel that bringing two babies together with the intent of performing their <i>brisin</i> consecutively involves a problem of <i>ein osin mitzvos chavilos chavilos</i> (see <i>Magen Avraham </i>147:11). Thus, we have two authorities who advise against bringing the two babies together to perform their <i>brisin</i> together . We are now going to present a third reason not to do this.</p>
<p><b>Interrupting the <i>Brachos</i></b></p>
<p>Most authorities rule that if someone interrupted after reciting the <i>bracha</i> for the first <i>bris</i>, he must recite a new <i>bracha</i> for the second <i>bris</i>. They contend that it is prohibited to interrupt because this now causes the recital of a new <i>bracha</i>, which is a <i>bracha she’ainah tzricha</i>, an unnecessary <i>bracha</i>. For this reason, the Maharshal reached an interesting conclusion: Departing from the <i>Rosh</i>’s conclusions, he contended that when two different families are making a <i>bris</i>, one should have them each recite its own <i>brachos</i>. He voices two different reasons for his conclusion:</p>
<p>1. There is likelihood that they will interrupt, which requires a new <i>bracha</i>, but fail to recite the <i>bracha</i>.</p>
<p>2. When dealing with two families, one needs to be concerned that they will get into a fight over who recites the <i>brachos</i>.</p>
<p>As a result, the Maharshal recommends making certain that the two <i>brisin</i> have an interruption between them to guarantee that they require two separate <i>brachos</i>. This alleviates the possibility of a <i>machlokes </i>and also guarantees that the proper <i>brachos</i> will indeed be recited (<i>Yam shel Shelomoh, Chullin </i>6:9).</p>
<p><b>The Shach’s Conclusion</b></p>
<p>The <i>Shach</i> (<i>Yoreh Deah </i>265:15) takes the Maharshal’s concerns even further, being concerned that even in the case of twins, there will be interruptions between the two <i>brisin</i>, and that one should therefore separate between them. In taking this position, he is disputing the conclusions of most <i>Rishonim</i>, and those of the <i>Shulchan Aruch, Rama</i>, and <i>Taz</i>, although one could argue that he was not disagreeing as much as reflecting changing patterns of human behavior. It may be that in earlier generations, people exhibited better self-control and remained quiet between the two <i>brisin</i>, whereas in his generation they did not. </p>
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<p><b>Differing Customs</b></p>
<p>“If I have not yet put you to sleep,” the erudite father continued, “I will return to the original dispute I mentioned above between the <i>Baal HaItur</i> and the <i>Rosh</i> whether one must recite separate <i>brachos</i> on these two <i>brisin</i>, or whether one is required to recite one <i>bracha</i> on both <i>brisin</i>. Among the later authorities, there is much discussion whether the custom follows the <i>Baal HaItur</i> or the <i>Rosh</i>. The <i>Bach</i> records that in his day this was dependent on local custom, some places following the <i>Baal HaItur</i>’s approach of reciting separate <i>brachos</i>, and others following the <i>Rosh</i>. He mentions that the custom in Cracow followed the <i>Rosh</i>. The <i>Bach </i>concludes that the preferred practice in a place without an established custom is to bring one baby and perform his <i>bris</i> with its <i>brachos</i>, and then when finished bring the second baby and recite separate all the <i>brachos</i> again.</p>
<p><b>“What is the Sefardic Custom?</b></p>
<p>“The Tashbeitz, who was the Chief Rabbi in Algiers, a Sefardic community, reports that he attended many <i>brisin</i> of twins and never saw two <i>brachos</i> recited. This is also the conclusion of the <i>Shulchan Aruch</i>, usually the source for all Sefardic custom and practice. Nevertheless, some authorities quote an old established practice in Egypt, a Sefardic community, of performing the first <i>bris</i> with all its <i>brachos</i>, then reciting<i> pesukim </i>and similar things to create an interruption, following which they performed the second <i>bris</i> with all the <i>brachos</i> again (<i>Shu”t Darchei</i> <i>Noam, Yoreh Deah </i>#27, quoted by <i>Pischei Teshuvah </i>265:10). </p>
<p>“A similar practice is noted in Nineteenth Century Hungary (<i>Shu”t Maharam Shick, Yoreh Deah </i>#250). Thus, it appears that in different places throughout Jewish history there were different established practices. However, Rav Elyashiv takes much umbrage at this practice, claiming that since most authorities quoted rule that one should recite only one <i>bracha</i>, they were also aware of <i>minhagim</i>, and that the places where the <i>minhag</i> was otherwise are the exception, not the rule (Introduction to <i>Otzar HaBris</i>).</p>
<p>“With this information, I asked my <i>rav </i>a <i>shaylah</i>, and he told me that he has attended many <i>brisin</i> of twins, and that the practice is always to perform one <i>bris</i>, make a slight interruption, and then begin the second. He told me that some people provide refreshments between the two <i>brisin</i>, both to accomplish more of an interruption and to have a “<i>bris</i> <i>seudah</i>” for the first twin.</p>
<p><b>“In Conclusion</b></p>
<p>“Prior to thanking all those who have helped us, I want to share with everyone the idea that we should recognize the paramount importance of being careful with our <i>brachos</i>. Here we see how much ink was used to clarify whether one should recite one or two <i>brachos</i>. Certainly, it behooves us to be careful about our recital of our <i>brachos</i>.”</p>
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